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Using a 401k Loan to Make Credit Card payments is a waste of money

Monday, August 23rd, 2010

As I was reading this past weekend, I happened upon this article www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/20/401k-hardship-withdrawals_n_688753.html

The article, in no uncertain terms, finds that people are literally raiding their 401k plans like there is no tomorrow. Whats the reason for this? Well, it varies on a case by case basis but typically the average worker does not have enough income to cover expenses. And so the result is that in their peak earning years (35-55), people are taking money out of their 401k’s just to survive. Now, my opinion here deals solely with using 401k money to pay your credit card bills when you have a large sum of debt that you likely will not be able to pay back. Here is why I think it’s a horrible horrible idea:

1. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Filing for Bankruptcy is an emotional decision. If you have a 40k income and you’re 40k in debt, mathematically speaking, due to interest, etc., chances are you’re never coming close to paying that debt back. Which means that, mentally, you’re likely thinking whatever money you have in your 401k will save you from having to file Bankruptcy for some time. That you can make this work. That if only you received a small raise, you’d be fine. You are inevitably wasting money here. Even if you raid your 401k to pay off portions of your credit card debt, you’re still likely to have CC debt leftover, and that debt will accumulate with the absurd interest thats likely being charged. Again, you’re not dealing with the whole issue.

2. Penalties! If you’re taking a loan out on your 401k, not only are you going to have to pay TAXES on it, but you’re also going to forfeit a 10% penalty! Thats a ton of cash to pay off bills that are growing at around a 30% clip in some cases. Plus, now the debt is not unsecured (as it is with credit cards), now its priority debt. You owe Uncle Sam. Uncle Sam comes after your money much more aggressively than most credit cards do. And, unless you have some special circumstances, filing for Bankruptcy WILL NOT discharge tax debts the way it would discharge debts from credit cards.

3. Your 401k is EXEMPT in Bankruptcy. Just in practical terms lets do the math. You owe $40,000 to various credit cards. You have $20,000 in your 401k. You take it out and use it to pay credit cards. You’re still 20k in the hole, now owe taxes and penalties and have 0 retirement savings. Plus chances are your credit isn’t great at this point either. The converse. You file for Bankruptcy in Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, etc., you get rid of the $40,000 in debt, you KEEP the $20,000 in your 401k. So now, as opposed to being negative in the thousands, you actually have gotten rid of your debt AND you have money leftover. Really doesn’t make sense any other way.

Again, BEFORE you raid an account thats protected in Bankruptcy, please please speak with a Chapter 7 Bankruptcy attorney in New York. It could and likely will save you thousands upon thousands.

Updated New York Bankruptcy Limits Means Thousands more will be able to keep their homes and cars and still file

Thursday, July 15th, 2010

You may now be able to file a Chapter 7 Bankruptcy in New York City and keep your home if you have under $300,000 in equity in it under proposed new limits in New York.  Under the new law, waiting to be signed by the Governor, the exemption limits for a house would be increased from $50,000 for a single filer to $150,000 and from $100,000 for a joint filer to $300,000 for joint filers.  That, my friends, is huge.  What that effectively means is that if you own a condo, or home in New York City, and your mortgage is, for example, $300,000, your home could be worth up to $600,000 and if you file the Trustee is not allowed to take your home!  I can’t tell you how many more clients will be able to get a fresh start in Bankruptcy when this bill goes into effect.  Additionally, the exemption for equity in a vehicle will rise from its current exemption of $2400, to $4000!  Again, while that may not seem like a ton, most vehicles do not have over $4000 in equity in them, unless you put down a huge downpayment.  Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, when you file Bankruptcy in New York, you’ll now be able to chose between the New York laws surrounding Bankruptcy OR the Federal exemption limits.  New York previously did not allow you to make this choice. Practically speaking, this helps those without a home more than anything else, because there is a wildcard exemption under Federal Rules.  In English, that means that if you have some cash, but no home, chances are you’ll get to keep the cash under the Federal exemption laws (of course each case is different).  Very very excited and happy about this as you all should be.  Once we hear more news, we’ll absolutely pass it along to you.

If you own a house in New York City and you’re filing for Bankruptcy without a lawyer, you’re insane.

Friday, May 14th, 2010

I just came back from a Bankruptcy trustee meeting in Brooklyn, New York.  One of the individuals filing for Chapter 7 Bankruptcy in New York was a middle aged man that owned two properties, one of which was his primary residence.  Fine.  Both residences had some equity in them.  Fine (kind of).   The individual filing this case was doing this without the assistance of a Bankruptcy lawyer and decided to go at it alone.  A screaming match ensued between the Chapter 7 Trustee and the individual within about 2 minutes of the meeting beginning because many of the documents filed were erroneous.  Not Fine.  Listen, if you own a Mercedes, and the light goes in in the dashboard displaying an engine problem, and you start repairing the car with your own hands (and you’re not a mechanic), the majority of the population would not think you’re the smartest person in the world.  Thats because when we spend a large sum of money on an item, be it a house, a car, a boat (dumb idea, I can’t get rid of this boat!) we want to protect that asset.  The same goes with filing for Bankruptcy in Brooklyn, or Queens, or anywhere else in New York and not hiring a competent Chapter 7 Bankruptcy lawyer.  I get the lawyer jokes you’ll make, I do.  I know you’ll think this is self serving and another way for lawyers just to say that no one can do certain things so that lawyers make more money.  Thats fine.  And to a certain extent, you’re right.  For instance if you have no assets and no income, you may find a pro bono association near you that would file your case for free.  But don’t confuse that with an individual who does not want to spend a small sum of money to ensure he can keep his house.  Because right now, we’re unsure whether or not this individual could in fact keep his house.  Lawyers know exemptions limits in Bankruptcy.  We know the documents that we need to bring to the Trustee meeting to ensure your meeting doesnt turn into a rematch of Ali-Holyfield.  There is a value to this.  You’re getting rid of hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt and keeping property you’re legally allowed to keep for a very very reasonable price.

So I say again that if you’re planning on filing for Bankruptcy, do not go at it alone.  Its dumb.  It doesn’t work in a large percentage of cases I see.  And don’t go to one of those $399 preparation services.  It’s like bringing your taxes to your uncle who taught Math and saying (Do my taxes!).  He doesn’t know how to do your taxes.  They don’t know how to file for Bankruptcy in New York properly.  Finally, Does anyone want to buy a boat?

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