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		<title>Taking The Training Wheels off of Legal Education in America</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just read, &#8220;Applying the Alternative Fee Model to Law School Tuition&#8221; by Ari Kaplan, which you can find here.  The basic jist is that we should re-work how students pay for law schools and look into alternative tuition arrangements.  Among the solutions Ari endorses is one where students pay $5000 per semester in their first year, and if [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read, &#8220;Applying the Alternative Fee Model to Law School Tuition&#8221; by Ari Kaplan, which you can find <a href="http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202538105332&amp;rss=nlj">here.</a>  The basic jist is that we should re-work how students pay for law schools and look into alternative tuition arrangements.  Among the solutions Ari endorses is one where students pay $5000 per semester in their first year, and if they decided law school was garbage, they could quit and only be 10k in the hole, but then they would still walk away with pseudo-paralegal certificate.  Mind you, in the first year of law school, you learn next to nothing that is  applicable in the real world (let alone the next two years, in most law schools) and no amount of Socratic learning will properly prepare you for your boss saying: &#8220;File this with the Court.&#8221;  Other ideas include providing &#8220;Early Exit Counseling&#8221;, which, I believe, translates to &#8220;It&#8217;s cool if you quit.  Stop crying, please.&#8221;  Finally, Ari proposes dropping the cost of a $150,000 legal education by allowing sponsors to advertise on students&#8217; $200 textbooks and make these textbooks available on a Kindle or an iPad, thereby further reducing costs.   I don&#8217;t doubt that Ari has some decent ideas and I don&#8217;t blame him for proposing them.  In fact, I appreciate the fact that he did.  But honestly, let&#8217;s cut the crap and speak like grown ups .</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Law School is a Choice  </span></strong></p>
<p>Let us pretend for a few moments that us lawyers actually had a hand in deciding to go to law school.  Let us pretend that we knew specifically what it was that we were getting into.  Let us pretend, for a moment, that we didn&#8217;t fork over all this money, equivalent to buying a home in the Mid-West, by relying solely on a <a href="http://www.millerbarondess.com/2011/05/miller-barondess-files-groundbreaking-suit-against-law-school-for-defrauding-students/">3 page glossy brochure.</a>  We went.  We knew the deal going in.  If we can agree to this premise, then we can move on to the following:</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Law School Was Never Intended As A Career for Everyone</span></strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty important to note that law school applications didn&#8217;t rise by<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/education/10grad.html"> 20% </a>recently because thousands of college graduates had an opportunity to watch some really exciting scenes from Law and Order, for the older matriculated students, Matlock, and decide that this was fun and exciting and they should pursue it.  Applications went through the roof because young adults, who couldn&#8217;t get a job paying over 30k no matter how hard they tried, decided to continue education and hope that &#8220;stuff&#8221; clears up in a few years.  That’s not to say everyone did this, but I can guarantee you that there was no &#8220;Come to Jesus&#8221; moment that happened in 2008.  Or 2009.  Or 2010.  People applied because they had to.  Not because they wanted to.  Yes, there were exceptions to this.  Yes, some people always wanted to be lawyers.  But there&#8217;s no way you can convince me that those people were in the majority.  The reality is that the people who want to be public servants, the one&#8217;s we actually NEED in this profession, aren&#8217;t going anymore, because it&#8217;s just not worth it.  They can&#8217;t afford it.  They made a calculation in their heads.   And that&#8217;s an absolute shame.  Because we don’t need a glut of decent attorneys for decent firms.  We need exceptional attorneys defending the constitutional rights of individuals when state and federal budgets for courts and Legal Aid are slashed left and right across this country.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Law School is a Business and Business&#8217; Make Money</span></strong></p>
<p>If you want to find a way to reform law school, then it can&#8217;t be the law schools that do the reforming.  My firm earns its revenue from Bankruptcy and Real Estate work.  If there was a call to lower Bankruptcy and Real Estate fees and make them standard across the board, it&#8217;s not going to be the Bankruptcy and Real Estate lawyers who answer that call.  Because it&#8217;s a business.  And the more we hear about how to change the way legal education is taught the less we talk about the reduction of the cost of legal education.  The ABA president recently gave a speech where he <a href="http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuters.com/Legal/News/2012/01_-_January/ABA_head_has_little_sympathy_for_jobless_lawyers/">blamed law students for being unemployed.</a>  He&#8217;s completely off base and ridiculously out of touch but you know what wasn&#8217;t discussed?  Changing the very business of law school. And it won’t be.  Which brings me to my next point:</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">If You Want to Change the Price of Law Schools, Cut a Year</span></strong></p>
<p>You don&#8217;t need the third year.  You need two years, max.  Your thinking changes the first year. Second year it gets crystallized in your head.  In the third year you&#8217;re taking electives which make you no better as a lawyer.  Want to see if you like employment law?  Intern.  Want to make sure criminal law is the right fit for you? Sit in court for a few afternoons.  Or ask a defense attorney about their practice.  Or ask 5.  But you&#8217;re not going to have any idea of what it&#8217;s like to be a Bankruptcy lawyer by reading case law from California.  The third year should be clinical work and clinical work only.  That way, when a graduate does get a job, if there is a job to actually get, they know to do&#8230;. stuff.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Don&#8217;t Be Scared to Quit:</strong></span></p>
<p>We have this absurd philosophy surrounding quitting.  I personally know of no one who ended up homeless after they quit law school.  No one threw eggs at them when they crossed the street.  If a student doesn&#8217;t like law school, the student should, for the love of God, quit law school.  It doesn&#8217;t mean the student is some failure.  To the contrary, it means that student has an inclination about what they DON&#8217;T want to do with the rest of their lives, which is more than I can say for other people I know.  Students also don&#8217;t need &#8220;Exit Counseling&#8221; if they decide to quit.  They don&#8217;t need to be told by an administrator that they should spread their wings and fly.  They should be told that if they work in some form of government or community service for a few years, their debt would be forgiven.  You&#8217;d have scores of people headed for the exits if this was implemented.  But it&#8217;s not.  And it wont be.  Because no one wants to be the person who tells a student at a 3rd tier law school that they&#8217;re likely going to be an associate at a Personal Injury defense firm pushing compliance conference orders across the table, rather than the next Justice Sotomayor.  Steve Jobs quit college.  Bill Gates did too.  You think it&#8217;s a big deal if you walk away from Cooley after a year because you realize you don&#8217;t like the law?  Everyone will survive.  You&#8217;re no worse for it.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">No Clinical Courses Can Make up for the Fact that Economy Sucks</span></strong></p>
<p>I was, and still am, on the bandwagon of those who want to incorporate clinical and work experience for law students.  Students should know how to do legal research and file a case.  And that will do wonders for them…unless and until their employer closes up shop.  There are simply too many lawyers and not enough jobs out there.  We keep dancing around this issue as if it’s not right in front of our faces.  If there’s no money in the coffers to pay for Susan to work at the firm, it really doesn&#8217;t matter much if Susan knows how to file a Habeas Corpus motion on Day 1.  Because the Firm can&#8217;t afford paper. Until this economy turns around, it&#8217;s simply senseless to suggest that there will be some magical pill that cures the woes of recent graduates.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Student Loans Are the Next Bubble</span></strong></p>
<p>There is currently over <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">ONE TRILLION DOLLARS</span></strong> in Student Loan debt across this country right now. That&#8217;s with a mother effin &#8221;T&#8221;.  People call me every day and want to file Chapter 7 Bankruptcy in New York because their student loan debt is literally choking them.  In 70% of cases in this office, an individual’s student loan DWARFS their credit card debt.  And they can&#8217;t do a thing, because unless you have some exceptional circumstances, student loan debt cannot be discharged in a <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/2009-05-12-studentloans13_N.htm">Bankruptcy</a>.  Mind you much of this debt is for private student loans.  And that number keeps growing as tuition increases (WINK WINK).   The ones that have much higher interest rates.  The ones that big boy banks underwrite and then trade (remember mortgage securities, folks? That was a fun time.)  To even suggest that you&#8217;re going to solve any problem dealing with the price of law school without massive reform of the Student Loan system and all of its players is ridiculous.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">It&#8217;s Up To The Student</span></strong></p>
<p>The real bargaining power comes from the prospective student.  And so it should.  If you want to be a lawyer and make money, you still can.  There are so many people out there who do.  Not just the people at Skadden or Sullivan. Mid size firms and even small ones have plenty of people who actually are able to pay the bills and still like their profession.  But it’s so much harder to do now then it was even five years ago.  We cannot rely on the very institutions that make huge profits from the pockets of law students to somehow change the way they do business&#8230;to make less profit.   It&#8217;s silly.  There will certainly be some cosmetic changes in the next few years.  But serious change won&#8217;t come from them.  We have the answers.  We all know that if we cut a year from law school, cap the amount of interest that student loan companies can charge and create lawyers who actually work for the public good in exchange for loan forgiveness, we&#8217;d completely revitalize the profession.  But who do you expect will do this? Congress (I know, I&#8217;m laughing too.)  The banks?  Law Schools?  No.  The decision is up to you and you alone.  It&#8217;s a chance and a choice.  Like everything else in life.  Cost/Benefit.</p>
<p>Ari Kaplan is right in that we are at a watershed moment.  But it&#8217;s not a moment about how he re-tool the cost of Legal Education. We know how to do that. It’s not whether we should let Coca Cola advertise on an Emanuel Law Outline to subsidize the cost of a textbook. It&#8217;s a really about whether or not it&#8217;s still worth it to go in the first place. It&#8217;s a question that should be asked constantly.  It&#8217;s a question that will only get louder and louder as more people apply for fewer and fewer jobs out there.  And that answer is up to the individual, as it should be.</p>
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		<title>Daniel Gershburg Esq., P.C. version 2.0</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[For several weeks now, I thought about writing a Bankruptcy blog that dealt with holiday spending.  Specifically, the propensity of people to spend money they don&#8217;t have on their credit cards around this time of year and then be unable to pay for any of it in January.  But, realistically, been there done that.  Every [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For several weeks now, I thought about writing a Bankruptcy blog that dealt with holiday spending.  Specifically, the propensity of people to spend money they don&#8217;t have on their credit cards around this time of year and then be unable to pay for any of it in January.  But, realistically, been there done that.  Every Bankruptcy attorney in town does that and I think the advice isn&#8217;t necessarily earth shattering (stop spending money though, seriously). So, instead, before everyone goes off on vacation (like my associate), I wanted to take some time and discuss what I have planned for Daniel Gershburg, Esq., P.C. in the coming New Year.</p>
<p>A few months ago, we began to sit down and figure out what the direction of the Firm would be, moving forward, as we&#8217;ve grown since 2010.  And we began to realize a few things:</p>
<p>1. The area of Bankruptcy law is getting more crowded in New York City as more and more attorneys are coming into the practice and each website slowly begins to look almost identical to one another.</p>
<p>2. Many people were (are) coming to us and complaining about problems with receiving a loan modification even when their lender told them to stop making payments (thus ruining their credit). Now these same people face foreclosure in New York.</p>
<p>3. We like doing work for the most underprivileged in our New York City area but realized we could do more.</p>
<p>4. I like donating money to charity.</p>
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<p>So, over the next year, here&#8217;s our plan:</p>
<p>While I&#8217;ve no doubt that you like reading the blog (except the emails I receive that say  &#8221;I don&#8217;t like reading your blog.&#8221;) I overwhelmingly hear about how much you prefer our videos. So, we&#8217;re going to give you more of that.  In early 2012, we&#8217;ll roll out a video page that, I think, is unlike anything you&#8217;ve seen before on a law firm&#8217;s website.  As always, we&#8217;ll ensure that the videos are clear and understandable.  But we also realize there is not a &#8220;one size fits all&#8221; approach to either Bankruptcy or Real Estate, and so our videos will be more tailored to you.  Personalized.  They&#8217;ll answer questions directly.  Why?  Because there is so much out there on the internet, and the last thing you want is to research for hours and fail to find anything that address your particular situation.  In other words, I think we can do it in a different way that will be more easier, more direct, and more appealing for you.</p>
<p>Another issue we&#8217;ve identified is how many people across New York City have been victimized by their own lenders when it comes to loan modifications. I say victimized sincerely.  Client after client complains about listening to their own lenders advice on not making future payments, to their detriment.  We hope to change that.  In 2012, we&#8217;re going to substantially expand our presence in Foreclosure Defense in New York City.  It&#8217;s one thing if &#8220;Loan Mod USA &#8220;(fictional name) tricks someone into believing they can reduce their principal and payments.  It becomes quite another when the very bank that financed your home is telling you to take steps that hurt your credit score, and then foreclose on that home.  We hope to change that, and we believe we will. Look for a Gershburg Foreclosure Defense site in January 2012.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m perhaps most excited to address #3 and #4 above.  Ever since I established this practice five years ago, I believed it was imperative that I give back to the community in the form of Pro Bono work.  The reason?  I basically learned the practice of Bankruptcy through doing volunteer work at the <a href="http://www.brooklynbar.org/" target="_blank">Brooklyn Bar Association</a>.  Each time I did a pro bono case I felt as if I was doing something good for the Brooklyn community.  Is it cliche and cheesy?  Maybe, but it was and continues to be, quite important for me.  Having said that, at the time of this blog, the Brooklyn Bar Association has 30 open Pro Bono Bankruptcy cases waiting to be filed.  I&#8217;ve called them and said that my firm would personally take on each one of them in 2012.  We hope to bring the open case load down to 0 by December of 2012.  Why?  Because it&#8217;s important for us and it&#8217;s the right thing to do.</p>
<p>This year, we&#8217;ve been able to donate money to the Wounded Warrior Project, an amazing organization that helps develop programs for  severely wounded  Vets come back home.  Also, in conjunction with the Street Academy for Financial Literacy and an absolutely amazing organization, <a href="http://www.pencil.org" target="_blank">Pencil.org</a>, we&#8217;ve been able to bring Financial Literacy programs to a middle school in Brooklyn, and we are eager to expand this, with Pencil&#8217;s help, to several schools across Brooklyn in the coming year.  We&#8217;re teaching kids the value of a dollar and how to save it.  We&#8217;re teaching them about credit and debt and the relationship they have.  And we&#8217;re teaching kids good money habits that can transform their lives as they grow older.</p>
<p>In addition, the communities where our offices are located (one in TriBeCa and one in Sheepshead Bay) are incredibly important to me.  I&#8217;ve lived and worked in both areas and they are close to my heart.   In 2012, we &#8216;ve pledge to donate up to 10% of the profits of Daniel Gershburg, Esq., P.C. to various charities working in both areas (email us if you know of worthwhile charities in either community). Beyond that, we&#8217;re putting even more of an emphasis on doing volunteer work .  In fact, starting in 2012, our staff they will receive paid days off for doing volunteer work at the charity of their choice.</p>
<p>So, why am I telling you all of this?  First, because I think it&#8217;s time we did this.  I&#8217;m incredibly happy with our website, but it&#8217;s time we do something different&#8230;again.  I think that law firms and social media and tech are a great combination. In fact they&#8217;re so great that everyone is doing it. In fact so many people are doing it that you can&#8217;t tell the difference anymore.  Everyone is on Facebook and Twitter and LinkedIN and that&#8217;s fine. But this blog has never been here to scream &#8220;Look at us, we&#8217;re great!&#8221;; That&#8217;s unethical.  This blog and site were designed to serve a purpose, which was to make finding the information you need easier for you while you search at work.  We hope to do that with our new video page.  We hope to do that with our new Foreclosure Defense Page.  And, most importantly, we hope to do that by doing things you can&#8217;t possibly do online.  We hope to do our part in changing our communities.</p>
<p>I wish you the very best in this holiday season and the New Year.</p>
<p>-Daniel</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[The latest from our guest blogger, Jordan Schiller, Esq. &#160; Can you vacate an ill-advised stipulation from Landlord/Tenant court in New York, entered into without counsel? &#160; Let’s admit it, lawyers can be costly.  For this reason, many landlords and tenants will forego counsel in New York and seek to handle their dispute in court [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest from our guest blogger, Jordan Schiller, Esq.</p>
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<p>Can you vacate an ill-advised stipulation from Landlord/Tenant court in New York, entered into without counsel?</p>
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<p>Let’s admit it, lawyers can be costly.  For this reason, many landlords and tenants will forego counsel in New York and seek to handle their dispute in court pro-se, on their own.</p>
<p>Pro-se litigants will conference their case before a court attorney and have a Judge review their agreement before signing off on it.  Once a Judge signs a stipulation of settlement, the parties are bound by its terms.</p>
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<p>NYC Landlord/tenant law is a very technical and highly specialized area of law.  More often than not, tenants have valid defenses to a housing court proceeding.  I’ve seen it too many times where a tenant unknowingly or mistakenly waives these defenses simply by signing a stipulation of settlement, without the benefit of counsel to advise them not to.  Either the tenant is living in an illegal multiple dwelling, is a Section 8 recipient where NYCHA was not named as a party or the landlord has waited years before bringing a non-payment action in court.  All of these scenarios present various defenses for a tenant to negotiate a settlement, or even dismiss the case outright.</p>
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<p>Under limited circumstances, namely fraud, duress or mistake, the court may, in its discretion vacate an inequitable and ill-advised stipulation of settlement entered into between a pro-se tenant and a landlord.  It is highly recommended to contact a lawyer that specializes in landlord-tenant matters before attempting to do it on your own.</p>
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<p>Moral of the story: the money spent on a lawyer from the get-go will save you the expense and headache of trying to undo something that shouldn’t have been done in the first place.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[The New York Times describes, in bitter detail, the plight of a Medical Billings Analyst who worked at St. Vincents for more than 20 years until she was recently laid off when St. Vincents filed for Bankruptcy.  The analyst, a young women who hasn&#8217;t had much success with men in her life, has to try [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/18/nyregion/laid-off-from-st-vincents-and-struggling-to-provide.html" target="_blank">The New York Times describes</a>, in bitter detail, the plight of a Medical Billings Analyst who worked at St. Vincents for more than 20 years until she was recently laid off when St. Vincents filed for Bankruptcy.  The analyst, a young women who hasn&#8217;t had much success with men in her life, has to try and take care of two children on unemployment compensation of $350 or so&#8230;a week.  So, she&#8217;s cutting back on luxuries&#8230;.like toothpaste.</p>
<p>If she had a large amount of debt, I could help her.  If she had any debt, I could help her.  I could file a Chapter 7 Bankruptcy in New York for her and I could make sure she wouldn&#8217;t have to pay any types of credit card bills anymore.  If she had past due medical bills I could easily get rid of those also.  But that&#8217;s it.  That&#8217;s the most infuriating part.  I could help her get rid of nasty credit collectors calling her, or idiotic law firms that dont follow protocol, freezing her bank accounts without notice.  But I can&#8217;t really get her paid, or on her feet.  I can&#8217;t really help her afford luxuries like toothpaste.</p>
<p>And before you accuse me of being a bleeding heart, understand that I am 100% for personal responsibility.  But more and more I&#8217;m seeing clients who are working and working and they can&#8217;t possibly make ends meet.  I have a client who works a night shift&#8230;.and a day shift, and he can&#8217;t afford his rent and he has no family to move in with.  Another, who bought a house, was told not to make payments to get a loan mod, and now faces foreclosure.  There must be a way to help these people.</p>
<p>Which brings me to my next point, which is that you can&#8217;t just throw money at the problem.  I donate a specific percentage of my profits to various organizations in an attempt to give back.  In 2012, we will donate 12% of all profits to various local organizations.  Everything from education for children in Kenya, to the <a href="http://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/" target="_blank">Wounded Warriors Project </a>(which is an amazing charity, by the way.)  But it&#8217;s not enough to actually transform someones life.  Thus far, my firm has partnered with <a href="http://thestreetacademy.org/The_Street_Academy/Welcome.html" target="_blank">The Street Academy of Financial Literacy</a> and <a href="http://pencil.org/" target="_blank">Pencil.org</a> to bring Financial Literacy lessons to kids across Brooklyn.  But again, I can and should do more.  Which is why I&#8217;d like your ideas this holiday season.  As we embark and yet another few weeks/months where we say thanks for all we have (even if our families are insane&#8230;yes, yours too), we should also reflect on meaningful ways of giving back.  If you&#8217;ve any ideas/thoughts/etc., on how my law firm can really make an impact in Brooklyn or Manhattan, feel free to email us.  It&#8217;s not just donations, though.  I&#8217;m looking for real, concrete ideas to help people like the woman who lost her job when St. Vincents closed down. Or anyone you know who is trying to make ends meet.  If we can implement them, we will&#8230;and immediately.</p>
<p>I look forward to hearing from you.</p>
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		<title>MF Global and the Cab Driver who drove me to Manhattan</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last week, as most of you heard, MF Global, a major holding company for broker-dealers, ended up going belly up, with questions now being raised as to whether or not there was major fraud occuring.  Oh, also, the former Governor of New Jersey, Jon Corzine, headed the company.  $600 million dollars of client money is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week, as most of you heard, <a href="http://mfglobal.com/" target="_blank">MF Global</a>, a major holding company for broker-dealers, ended up going belly up, with questions now being raised as to whether or not there was major fraud <a href="http://www.thestreet.com/story/11305806/1/mf-global-starting-to-smell-like-fraud-ex-sec-accounting-chief.html" target="_blank">occuring</a>.  Oh, also, the former Governor of New Jersey, Jon Corzine, headed the company.  $600 million dollars of client money is missing.  Thats&#8230;.$600,000,000.00 dollars&#8230;that disappeared.  No one knows where it went, yet.  The sad state of our financial affairs.</p>
<p>Around the same date that MF Global filed for Bankruptcy protection, I took a cab from my Sheepshead Bay office to my Manhattan office.  I usually take the train, but that day, for one reason or another, I did not.  The driver picked me up in a beat up old Toyota 4Runner with horns on the grill.  That&#8217;s horns on the grill.  The conversation would change my perspective on things for some time to come.</p>
<p>The cab driver told me about working for a prominent law firm a few years back, only to be let go when the firm went belly up after some accusations of wrongdoing (happening more often these days).  He couldn&#8217;t find work in the legal sector because of his affiliation with his former employer, so he did anything he could to feed his family.  I mean anything.  He did construction work until the gas it cost him to get to his job in Connecticut ended up costing him almost as much as he was making for the day.  He worked in a pizzeria.  He sold trinkets on the street.  During that time his wife left him.  He told me that he never thought that would happen.  17 years of marriage down the drain once the money stopped coming in.  But then a funny thing happened.  I noticed he never once frowned or complained.  He took what life gave him, what this crisis gave him, and with it he shaped a new life.  He&#8217;s happy because his &#8220;scenery changes every day&#8221; while driving a cab.  He met someone new, with whom he fell in love; with whom he sells vitamins (yes, I&#8217;m serious) for extra money.  She treats him incredibly well, he told me.  And he misses none of the things he thought he would.</p>
<p>When the cab driver pulled up to my street, I asked him how much the cab fare was and typically when a driver doesn&#8217;t know he&#8217;ll call the dispatcher and ask.  But instead, said &#8220;I dont know. Whatever you think it typically is.&#8221;  I paid the man and thanked him.  I did so sincerely.</p>
<p>Somewhat dumbfounded, I stepped out of the cab and looked across the Financial District of Manhattan.  The area where bankers make money for themselves, and for New York City.  Where Occupy Wall Street, whether you agree with them or not, protests peacefully not two blocks from the epicenter of the financial world against companies and government allegedly run amok. And I thought of MF Global, and the millions of dollars missing from its books.  The countless lives likely harmed as a result.  And of a Governor who was painfully close to becoming the next Treasury Secretary.  I came to the realization that the storm is far from over.  The Country continues to balance precariously between a rebound and falling back into this deep recession that we can&#8217;t seem to lift ourselves out of.  But amongst all of this lost money and the realization that the security blankets that kept us safe at night were nothing more than a mirage (a hope or a dream), we still continue to persevere and move on and build new lives.  The very companies that were supposed to keep books and manage risk and ensure they were safe from implosion are the ones that are showing us that no one and nothing in this climate is immune.  That people who have gone broke have nothing to be ashamed of.   Understand that if you find yourself in the same position as this cab driver, or of any of your neighbors, that you&#8217;re not alone. In fact, you&#8217;re likely not the minority anymore.  The pillars that will support us as we rise again wont be companies like MF Global, but rather the hard workers that we are surrounded by every day.  The undefeated ones who refuse to accept the cards that have been dealt and instead make their own deck to play with.  This cab driver reminded me how difficult times are, and how much better they will ultimately be.  All of my clients, past, present, and future should take solace in that.</p>
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		<title>The latest White House Plan to fix Housing falls ridiculously short</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the latest of what seem to be increasingly ineffective solutions to stem the tide of foreclosures in this Country, the Obama Administration announced a new housing plan that could ultimately help an additional 1 million homeowners across the Country.  The plan would allow banks to refinance loans that are underwater.  In other words, Bob, who [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the latest of what seem to be increasingly ineffective solutions to stem the tide of foreclosures in this Country, the Obama Administration announced a new housing plan that could ultimately help an additional 1 million homeowners across the Country.  The plan would allow banks to refinance loans that are underwater.  In other words, Bob, who has a house that&#8217;s worth less than what he owes on the mortgage, now has the pleasure of possibly paying 4% on that loan instead of 6%.  With the extra savings (The White House says around $2500/year will be saved while other studies show the number to be closer to$300), Bob will no doubt support the economy.  Or he will buy stuff he couldn&#8217;t afford before&#8230;.like food.</p>
<p>The first and most important step in stopping foreclosures across the Country is to deal with unemployment crisis.  Nothing else matters unless this changes (or Oprah says &#8220;You get a house for free and YOU get a house for free, and YOU&#8230;).  This sounds pretty simple, but for some reason, we can&#8217;t seem to grasp it.  My clients want to pay for their stuff.  They never come to me to file because they don&#8217;t want to pay for their stuff or they want to take advantage of the system.  To the contrary, they&#8217;ve likely paid idiotic debt collectors for years (at exorbitant interest rates) because they feel they have a responsibility to try and pay their debts.  The problem isn&#8217;t that their mortgage interest rate is too high.  That&#8217;s just absurd.  The problem is that many of them are now unemployed or underemployed.  We&#8217;re not at 9.1% in this Country.  Thats a mytth.  When you count the number of unemployed and &#8220;underemployed people&#8221; I would guess we&#8217;re likely closer to 17-20%.  You don&#8217;t fix housing until you fix that.  You can&#8217;t bring the interest rate of a mortgage down by 1% and expect it to change anything at all.  These people need decent paying jobs.  They need money.  Not disposable cash.  But a consistent paycheck, so that they can pay their mortgages.  If you ask someone if they want to pay $2400 for their home or $2516, they&#8217;ll obviously pick the former.  But if you ask them if they want to pay $2516 but also have a job that pays them, I&#8217;m pretty sure they could care less about the $100 difference.  You cannot put bandaids on someone&#8217;s arm when they&#8217;re internally bleeding.  You&#8217;re wasting time (and band-aids).</p>
<p>To effectively deal with the Housing Crisis, we also have to take definitive steps at addressing our emotions and move forward.  What we&#8217;re doing now is a little Waltz.  Dancing around the issue.  Sprinkle some mortgage relief here, maybe some there, and that&#8217;s it.  And everything still stays the same.  As I mentioned, we have two camps; they have to make peace or learn to move on.  Unless the guys in the room who think that the people who paid for homes they couldn&#8217;t afford deserve relief, we&#8217;ll get nowhere.  I understand the mentality.  I get it.  I think it&#8217;s much more complicated, but I get it.  But we need someone to reach across and say &#8220;Yes, a lot of people messed up and got caught up in the craze, but we need to move beyond this, otherwise nothing gets better.&#8221;  Half the Country bought into the notion that Real Estate prices will always go up.  But this Housing crisis has played a tremendous role in the surge of Bankruptcies, and the inability of a family to right their lives.  If you&#8217;re stuck paying for a home you can&#8217;t afford, you have two choices.  You keep paying and hope you&#8217;ll find more money (horrible idea) or you walk away and threaten the property values of your neighbors (horrible idea).  We just have to say &#8220;bad idea&#8221; and move on and forgive a ton of mortgage principle and fix this thing.  Otherwise we&#8217;re going to be pointing fingers at each other while we watch property values continue to drop or stay stagnant.</p>
<p>Unless this Administration, or Congress, or even the private sector, figures out a way to refinance these homes and reduce the principal owed on them, nothing changes.  These interest rate reductions will help close to no one.  It&#8217;s a joke.  If we want to effectively deal with the problem, then let&#8217;s deal with it.  But if you&#8217;re going to tell me that reducing already historically low interest rates for people who barely make enough to keep the lights on, will do anything long term, then I have something to sell you.</p>
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		<title>Foreclosure and Bankruptcy in New York City</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A little advice from a Bankruptcy Attorney in Manhattan with hundreds of clients who have gone through this:  Get the hell out of your home if it&#8217;s underwater(worth less than the mortgage you owe) and move on.  Tough love, yes, but realistically the only solution out there if your mortgage is underwater in New York. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little advice from a Bankruptcy Attorney in Manhattan with hundreds of clients who have gone through this:  Get the hell out of your home if it&#8217;s underwater(worth less than the mortgage you owe) and move on.  Tough love, yes, but realistically the only solution out there if your mortgage is underwater in New York.</p>
<p>A new <a href="Marta Borzuchowski" target="_blank">article</a> discusses how banks are becoming even more aggressive in their foreclosure procedures.  They&#8217;re kicking people out on the street in shorter periods of time.  What does that mean to you?</p>
<p>The emotional attachment to a home is something that simply cannot be understated.  I&#8217;ve had plenty of people begin to cry while sitting in my office when the prospect of leaving their home came up.  I get it.  My parents owned their co-op for 30 years.  The memories I had there were some of the best memories I can remember.  But then there is the inevitable problem or trying to pay a mortgage that is more than the actual home is (and may ever be) worth.  In a situation like that, which happens all the time these days, the best thing you can do is file Bankruptcy and surrender the home.  I know you&#8217;re looking for an out other than that, but realistically there almost never is one.  Here are your options:</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">1.  Continue paying the mortgage; Hope you win Jeopardy soon:</span></p>
<p>You  take this approach about six months prior to calling me.  You  will do anything possible not to admit that you need to walk away from the home.  You&#8217;ll slave and scrimp and do anything to make sure the mortgage (sometimes two mortgages) is paid, even partially, each month.  If you fall a few months behind, you figure you&#8217;ll catch up and pay when you can.  You cut down on almost anything (and I&#8217;ve seen it all) just to make that payment.  Next month will be different.  Next month you think you&#8217;ll have enough.  But inevitable you don&#8217;t because of the economic situation we&#8217;re all in.  So you call me.  6 months later than you should have.  6 months worth of saving money that you likely could have kept.  You feel great after the Bankruptcy and the monkey comes off your shoulders, and you can finally sleep.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">2.  Stop Paying the Mortgage but do not file Bankruptcy.</span></p>
<p>Let me guess; the Bank told you that you can apply for a loan modification.  Let me guess; they told you to stop paying the mortgage for a few months.  You listened.  Stop the insanity.  The Loan Modification process, in my opinion, is one the dumbest, most irrational, most arbitrary process&#8217; that I&#8217;ve ever seen.  Literally, communists in government offices would look at it and go &#8220;This is just too inefficient.&#8221;  It&#8217;s crazy, makes no sense, and has very little chance of succeeding.  It&#8217;s almost always a waste.  And it puts you in the hole.  Your credit score drops, and you&#8217;re waiting for months and months and sometimes years and years for some solution and meanwhile your credit score goes down the tubes.  You don&#8217;t even know, if you do get approved, if you&#8217;re going to be able to afford the new payment.  And forget it if you have a second loan.  Twice the insanity.  Again, total waste of time.  You&#8217;re waiting years for something that may not happen and may not help you.  File Bankruptcy, have your credit generically repair itself (quickly) and move on.  You can, if you want, even chose to keep the home once you file Bankruptcy.  I do not recommend this if you&#8217;re home is worth less than what you owe.</p>
<p>3. <span style="text-decoration: underline;"> Think the Bank wont go after you after a Foreclosure because your friend/neighbor/Priest/bodega owner told you they wont.  </span></p>
<p>They will.  End of Story.  If they don&#8217;t, they&#8217;ll sell it to a credit collection agency that will.  They have up to six years to sue you.  Then another twenty or so to collect.  Want that phone call 10 years from now?  That frozen bank account?  Deal with the issue now, before it&#8217;s too late.</p>
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<p>Emotion is HUGE in this, but understand that there are literally millions of people dealing with the exact same issues right now.  Ask the people who have filed Bankruptcy and gotten rid of these debts, and ask the people that haven&#8217;t.  I&#8217;m pretty sure I know which side feels better about their financial life going forward.  We&#8217;re here, as always, in our Manhattan or Brooklyn office, to answer any questions you may have.</p>
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		<title>Getting Evicted from your Brooklyn Apartment: A Landlord/Tenant guide</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our returning Brooklyn Landlord Tenant Attorney, Jordan Schiller, Esq. provides a ton of insightful advice to us and our clients.  Thats why he&#8217;s our Of Counsel.  Here&#8217;s his most recent piece: &#160; What do you when you receive court papers taped to your door saying that your Brooklyn Landlord will not be renewing your rent-stabilized [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our returning Brooklyn Landlord Tenant Attorney, Jordan Schiller, Esq. provides a ton of insightful advice to us and our clients.  Thats why he&#8217;s our Of Counsel.  Here&#8217;s his most recent piece:</p>
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<p>What do you when you receive court papers taped to your door saying that your Brooklyn Landlord will not be renewing your rent-stabilized lease because he wants his family member to live there?  Well, that doesn&#8217;t seem right now, does it?  You&#8217;ve been living at this affordable NYC apartment for over 10 years with your wife and kids and now, you are faced with a harsh, expensive NYC rental market for a growing family.  It&#8217;s time to consult a landlord/tenant lawyer in Brooklyn.</p>
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<p>First thing to check is, can this case be thrown out?  Your Brooklyn Landlord/tenant lawyer will review every word on the court papers, all dates, all names, all stamps, all mailings, etc.  Did the Landlord name everyone in the household over the age of 18 on the court papers?  Did he know/should’ve known their names?  Did the Landlord know they were living there?</p>
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<p>The most important document that a Landlord must have served on the Tenant(s) is the Notice of Non-Renewal.  This Notice advises the Tenant(s) about the Landlord’s intentions not to renew the leasehold and must contain the basics; who Landlord intends to have living in the apartment, why this apartment and that the apartment will be used as a primary residence for the family member intended to be moving in.</p>
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<p>In rent-stabilization, a family member (as defined in the Rent Stabilization Code) living with the Tenant of record acquires independent possessory rights to the apartment if they live with the Tenant of record on a full-time basis for two consecutive years prior to the tenant of record vacating.  Now, although the tenant of record is not vacating in this particular circumstance, he is at risk of being evicted by the Landlord in order to make room for the Landlord&#8217;s family member.  However, if the Tenant’s family members, over the age of 18, have acquired their own possessory rights to the apartment, they must be named as a party or the action can be dismissed on motion.  Prior case law has upheld this principle.</p>
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<p>Moral of the story:  If you are a Brooklyn Landlord, consult a Landlord/Tenant lawyer prior to commencing an owner’s use holdover proceeding.  If you are a Tenant, consult a Landlord/Tenant lawyer to protect your rights and prolong your tenancy.</p>
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		<title>Bankruptcy in New York City is dropping; The economy is worse</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a Manhattan Bankruptcy Attorney, over the past few years I&#8217;ve witnessed a boom in Bankruptcy filings across New York City.  Everyone was filing.  Teachers, doctors, lawyers, the unemployed.  Literally everyone.  But there seems to be an absolute lull in the field now.  Chapter 13 Bankruptcy filings in New York are down something like 65%. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Manhattan Bankruptcy Attorney, over the past few years I&#8217;ve witnessed a boom in Bankruptcy filings across New York City.  Everyone was filing.  Teachers, doctors, lawyers, the unemployed.  Literally everyone.  But there seems to be an absolute lull in the field now.  Chapter 13 Bankruptcy filings in New York are down something like 65%.  Many people attribute this to the fact that the ones who needed to file Bankruptcy have done so already.  That there aren&#8217;t many left.  I wholeheartedly disagree.</p>
<p>In the opinion of this Manhattan Bankruptcy lawyer, things are getting worse, not better.  Unemployment hovers around 9% (those are the official numbers.  The unofficial numbers are likely much worse).  About 1 in 5 people is behind on his/her mortgage.  People are underpaid, and many of them don&#8217;t have enough to out food on the table and pay the rent at the same time.  Not everyone who was meant to file Chapter 7 Bankruptcy in Manhattan has filed Chapter 7 Bankruptcy in Manhattan.  To the contrary, many people are still waiting for that next big paycheck or job to come in.  They&#8217;re dealing with debt settlement companies when they should be filing.  They&#8217;re spending more and more on interest and late charges when they could realistically be completely out of debt in approximately 90 days.  They&#8217;re doing the same thing, but there is even less money to play with now.</p>
<p>In meeting with clients in our New York City office, we&#8217;re finding many potential clients have already run through their entire 401ks, accruing large fees to the IRS in the process.  They&#8217;ve stopped paying rent in hopes that they&#8217;ll be able to find a cheaper apartment while still paying their credit card minimums (they have no choice but to live on credit cards).  Things are getting worse, not better.</p>
<p>The advice has always been the same but I fear it still hasn&#8217;t sunk in.  You&#8217;re wasting your money in almost every other scenario.  The debt isn&#8217;t going away, nor is the stress.  The credit card companies and debt collection companies aren&#8217;t going anywhere either.  I can&#8217;t ever be clearer about this than I am now.  You&#8217;re wasting money as things seems to be getting worse, not better.  You&#8217;re paying debts that aren&#8217;t going away with money that could likely keep in a Bankruptcy filing. You may be wasting what money is left on this.</p>
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		<title>Can Mel S Harris put a lien on my house?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[With the ever changing debt markets, many of our clients across Brooklyn and Manhattan have been asking this question more and more: Can Mel S. Harris or Rubin and Rothman or Pressler and Pressler put a lien on my house?  The answer is yes, they can.  And they are doing it more and more.  There [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the ever changing debt markets, many of our clients across Brooklyn and Manhattan have been asking this question more and more: Can Mel S. Harris or Rubin and Rothman or Pressler and Pressler put a lien on my house?  The answer is yes, they can.  And they are doing it more and more.  There are reasons and, as always, ways to fight back.</p>
<p>If you owe money to Mel. S Harris (or, I should say, if Mel. S. Harris claims you owe them money) they have numerous ways of getting that money from you.  They can, as they typically do,  freeze your bank account.  That&#8217;s always nice. They can also try and garnish your wages&#8230;.provided you&#8217;re actually employed in this crazy economy.  Also, a nice thing.  But, if none of that works, and they still want their money, they can put a lien on your house.  Who cares though, right?  You should.  If you ever want to sell your home you&#8217;re going to have to pay the lien off&#8230;with interest.  If you ever want to refinance the home, you&#8217;re going to have to pay the lien off, with interest.  If you ever wan&#8217;t to get a 2nd mortgage on the home, you will have to pay the lien off&#8230;with interest.</p>
<p>The point of the above is the point I always make whenever I speak to clients that are dealing with Mel S. Harris and Associates or Rubin and Rothman or Cohen and Slamowitz.  The &#8220;ostrich&#8221; approach of not dealing with them will never work.  They have six years from the date of alleged default to actually sue you, and another 20 to collect.  So, just because no one has contacted you in a few hours doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re in the clear at all.  To the contrary, it may mean that interest is accruing on the debt owed.</p>
<p>Again, the simplest solution is to deal with the problem.  Settle.  File Bankruptcy. Contest the Debt.  Any/all of these methods will be more effective and less costly than the alternative.</p>
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